“We gladly feast upon those who would subdue us.”
Not just pretty words? Well, according to Dennis of the Campvs, the Addams Family Credo might be just that: pretty words. Dennis, graduate student linguist, translates the meaning of the Addams Family movie's bit of Hollywood Latin, "Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc!":
“Thus do we growl that (our) big toes have,
at this moment, been thrown up from below!”
He then offers a possibly more accurate Latin verse:
“Laeti vescimur nos subacturis.”
Full notes on the translation at The Campvs
38 comments:
I feel betrayed!!!
I wanted to have a tatoo with the addamses´ motto but i think i´ll change my mind.
I have studied latin and speak Spanish, French, and I can read Italian as well. I do not concur with the translation at all. The original meaning is correct. Gorgiamos has germanic connotations linguistically similar to gorge or swallow (to eat) ALLOS connotates a plural form of "they" or "those" SUBJECTATUS is also a connotation that means "to subject" "to suppress" or "to subjugate" and NUNC is the latin negative variation meaning "infintely no" "NO", "NEVER" which eventually trickles down to spanish NUNCA, which mean never also. Loose Latin-Anglo Translation: Sic Gorgiamos Allos Subjectatus Nunc= Never submit, we would rather feast on those who try to. or We feast on those who would subdue, never submit. Or We gorge on those who would forever subdue us eternally. or "we gladly feast on those who would subdue us..." meaning: "we will never submit, but rather devour those who would subdue us."
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Sorry, Mr. M.-A. Gomez, but your analysis is way off. "Nunc" means "now" in Latin, not "never." The motto is just fake-Latin, and definitely does not mean what it claims to, for precisely the reasons given in the link above.
I concur with Anonymous (Nov. 22): Mr. Gomez is incorrect. He appears to think that you can read a text in Latin based on vague resemblances between the Latin words and superficially similar words in modern languages. It doesn't work that way.
To take one example, Latin nunc does indeed look like Spanish nunca, but the two are not related. Nunca is from the Latin word numquam, which is a compound of ne "not" + umquam, "ever". Nunc means "now", as a quick glance at any Latin dictionary will confirm. The word allos means "big toes" (perhaps Mr. Gomez is thinking of alios, but even that would mean "others", not "they" or "those"), and there is nothing in Latin remotely resembling gorgiamos
The Addams Family credo has generally been denounced by scholars as "bad" or "inaccurately translated" Latin. They are correct. The phrase is rendered in Dog Latin (i.e., pseudo- or mock-Latin, often created for comedic effect). With that in mind, however, consider at least the following, and appreciate the fact that it can be supported by some kooky train of thought:
(To slightly paraphrase M-A Gomez's explanation)... GORGIAMUS has Germanic connotations, linguistically similar to "gorge" or "swallow" (to eat). ALLOS connotes a plural form of "they" or "those." SUBJECTATOS is also a connotation that means "to subject," "to suppress," or "to subjugate," and NUNC is the Latin negative variation meaning "infintely no," "no," "never," which eventually trickles down to Spanish NUNCA, which means "never" also. Therefore, a loose Latin-Anglo translation of Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc could be, "Never submit, we would rather feast on those who try to," or "We feast on those who would subdue, never submit," or "We gorge on those who would forever subdue us eternally," or "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us," meaning that "We will never submit, but rather devour those who would subdue us."
Again, this is only a generously loose translation, and one that would probably make serious scholars of Latin cringe. That, to me, contains much of the beauty of it. If I were to ever have the family credo tattooed on my skin, it would be in the admittedly inaccurate Dog Latin cited in the film, as spoken by Angelica Huston in her portrayal of Morticia. The Addamses are nothing if not irreverent. Why should they bother with proper Latin, when something so much more fun and free as Dog Latin exists as an alternative? They know what they mean, and that's all that matters. If the square remainder of the world really "got it," what fun would that be? We gladly feast on those who would subdue us. That goes for anally retentive Latin authenticity mavens, as well as any other would-be subjugators.
I agree with you kinda common sense I would think
Signor Anthony Addams Bondioli; you are a true and proper Addams. We couldn't care less what anyone else thinks!
Even a cursory glance at a Latin dictionary might cause you to change your mind. Why not start with "nunc", which means "now" in Latin, not "never"? Spanish "nunca" derives from Latin "numquam".
*sigh* And yet another group of people that miss the point.
The Addams family danced as Nero fiddled. They danced for Jack the Ripper. They keep an uncles summer wardrobe, winter wardrobe and EARTHLY REMAINS in the cupboard! They use a real electrical chair in childrens games, and throw swords at the family lawyer, being annoyed that they miss.
In a movie containing such elements, you're upset because the LATIN doesn't make sense?!
Yes! This! A thousand times this!!!
Using a poor translation that most consider to be incorrect or strange... Seems to be exactly the way the Addams family would want it.
I would agree with "Signor Anthony Addams Bondioli", but here is my take on the phrase
sic is so or thus (exclamation), gorgiamus or "gorge" literally "throat", -the suffix -iamus, probably a corruption of -ismus like ignoramus (a word made up in the 15th century), is "to verb a noun", allo(s) greek for other, or simply they, Subjectatus to make the subject of, (-atus from singular -atio - to noun a verb), nunc latin for now...
Thus (to) throat those (who) subject* (us) now.
* the noun of the verb subject when referred to the first person plural would be 'subject us'.
I suspect a bit of schoolboy latin would have created the word gorgiamus, like Debbie's other film, deep gorgiamus.
Well said, I couldn't agree with you more.
Ha ha, love you, signore Bondioli!
nos libenter festum super illis qui
noluit subicite nobis
There is an older wood sign (no older then 20yrs) that has this engraved on it in from of my neighbors house. They live in an old school/hospital. We luv out in the country in rural Southern Missouri... I looked it up when I first moved out here. Weird!
Unfortunately no one understands it's not Latin it's Addams.
The motto on my family crest is Sedo Sed Serio which can mean not only "We are richer than you are" but "Late but in earnest" but also "Meanwhile, serious?"
Sounds so sexy when Anjelica Huston says it.
The reason why you are all confused, is that it is in latin vulgate.
A while back I did a lot of fiddling with Google Translate (no comments from the cheap seats, thanks). I ended up with two sentences that translate back and forth successfully (put in either, the other comes up).
We will willingly eat our oppressors.
Nos nostra libenter comedunt qui adfligebant vos.
Libenter can mean willingly / cheerfully / with pleasure and a few others, but using "willingly" makes for a stable translation.
Actually wasn't Mortisha that quoted it? I know, a bit pedantic, but hey, I was bored.
She verbally quoted the line. But it was most likely the late Mr. Addams who had it carved on his grave. Right? Or am I just a bit too high
Um...yeah...so:
“Big”: magnus, grandis, vastus.
“Toe”: (pedis) digitus.
“Growl”: subst. Fremitus (-ūs).
“Growl”: v. Fremĕre.
According to my Latin books and dictionaries, as well as the link provided in the original article (which redirects to a google books preview):
“Big toe”: pollex.
Or, Latin to English rather than English to Latin:
Pollex: -īcis, m. the thumb; also the big toe.
As for those saying that “nunc” means “now”...
Nunc: now, at present. as things are; of past or future time, then, already.
So given the full context, “nunc” could indicate what came before, what is, and what is yet to come.
“gorgiamus”:
This could fit in the context, if one chooses a poetic/metaphorical approach rather than attempting a literal to-English translation.
Gorgo: -gŏnis, f. also called Medusa, slain by Perseus; adj. Gorgŏnĕus -a -um.
My thoughts on “Subjectatos”:
Classical Latin did not have a Jj.
Here are the related vowels and consonant to the materia (subject-matter) for the controversy I see regarding “subjectatos”:
Vowels: ĭ as in hint, ī as in eat
Consonant: i (“consonantal i,” later written j) pronounced like y in yet.
Break it all down and one can see:
Sŭbĕo: -īre -ĭi or -īvi -ītum (1) to go under, pass under; of a bearer, to go under and support; to undergo, submit to, take upon oneself. (2) to come from under, approach, advance mount, climb; of thoughts, etc., to come into, or come over, the mind. (3) to come on after, to follow, sometimes to come and support.
Hence partic. Sŭbītus -a -um, as adj., sudden; coming suddenly, taking by surprise; pass., suddenly done, hastily contrived, improvised.. N. as subst. a sudden occurrence, emergency.
Subicĭo: -icĕre -iēci -iectum (1) to throw or place under; to submit, subject; in speech or writing, to append, reply. (2) to throw up from below, raise, lift; to put into a mind, suggest. (3) to substitute, insert by guile, counterfeit.
Hence partic. Subiectus -a -um subjected; of places, lying near, adjacent; superl adv. Subiectissĭmē, most submissively.
* I personally think the above examples that have been suggested in comments as well as was suggested in the article (both of high may even be considered Sŭbītus and Subiectus in nature), however, are a stretch.
What if one were to view it as some kind of attempt at the following:
Sŭbĭgo -īgĕre -ēgi -actum, to drive under; to subject, constrain, subdue, compel; to drive up from below.
The various forms of a verb can generally be deduced from four key forms called principle parts.
These are:
1) 1st person singular, present active indicative
2) present active infinitive
3) 1st person singular, perfect active indicative
4) supine (or a participial form)
* Regular verbs are divided into four different conjugations according to their stem vowels.
*one must take into account grammar in general, have an understanding of the alphabet, the parts of speech, and all the endless variables and possibilities when also considering metaphor and poetry as opposed to literal translation.
Regardless any technical mistakes the writers may have made (there is no “j “ in Classical Latin), I personally think they got a lot closer than the writers of these articles would have the public to believe.
Is this what happens when people stop reading books and instead rely on google for everything?
Anyone can write anything online...just because a couple links are provided, I hardly think that is proof of anything other than one’s ability to do a basic internet search (where anyone can write anything).
In the end, though, why does it even matter? It’s an entertaining movie...
I’m 10000% still getting it tattooed on me it’s awesome even the actual translation is so odd and precious it’s still fitting hahah
Be not dismayed...
If you're thinking like an Addams, the translation is not far off...
I'm sitting on the chest of my victim, recently dead,supping on a skewer of: metacarpal phalangeal, fire roasted treats and while nibbling on the final pinky toe, a belch escapes from below...
This would come up in normal conversation with my recently dead companion...
See?
Or in layman's terms-
"Burp, excuse me, those were your big toes ole man man,
Delicios!"
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Yeah. This is all over the place, to say it frankly
And here is my take, acknowledging all said about the bad latin so far:
Verb: gorgiamus; 1. P., Pl., Subjunctive, perhaps hortative. “Let us feast (on)”? Not a real verb, similar to gaudeamus
Obj: allos subjectatos “alios subiectos*”; Acc. Pl., passive part. “those others having been thrown down/subjugated”
Adv: Sic (thus)
Adv: nunc (now)
A translation could be: “Thus let us now feast on (those) others who have been subjugated.”
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